income tax payers and corporations to pay their fair share is the right way to finance those investments. >> so the frreasury secretarylo and clear to lawmaker on what she thinks should be done, whether they do it remains to be seen. "ac 360" starts now. the grieving son of an 86-year-old woman killed in buffalo and a favorite son of uvalde by way of hollywood both making emotional pleas to do something about gun violence, john berman here in for anderson, after uvalde native matthew mcconaughey spoke at the white house, one of the 10 killed at a super market in buffalo, son testified at the senate judiciary committee. >> you elected to protect us because if there is nothing than respectfully, senators, you

should yield your positions of authority and influence to others that are willing to lead on this issue. the urgency of the moment demands no less. my eartmother's life mattered. >> negotiations at a critical stage, one lawmaker telling cnn they hope to reach agreement by the end of the week, joined by maizie, and a live report from the white house, first, though, some of what matthew mcconaughey said from the briefing room, talked about meeting overworked funeral directors trying to make badly torn bodies look like children again from memorial services, he spoke with parents like ryan and jessica ramirez who told about their daughter alethia. >> now alethia, her deream was o go to art school in paris and share her art with the world.

ryan and jessica were eager to share her art with us and if we could share it, somehow, maybe that would make alethia smile in heaven. they worry green high-top converse with a heart she had handdrawn on the right toe because they represented her love of nature, camilla's got these shoes, can you shows these shoes please? >> wore these everyday, green converse with a heart on the right toe. these are the same green converse on her feet that turned out to be the only clear evidence that could identify her after the shooting. how about that? then there was a fairy tail love story of a teacher named irma and her husband joe, what a great family this was. irma was a teacher who her family said went above and beyond and just couldn't say no he to any kind of teaching.

joe had been commuting to and from work 70 miles away in del rio for years. together, they were the glue of the family. both worked over time to support their four kids. irma even worked every summer when school was out. the money she had made two summers ago paid to paint the front of the house. the money she made last summer paid to paint the sides of the house. this summer's work was going to paint the back of the house. because irma was one of the teachers who was gunned down in the classroom, joe, her husband, literally died of heartache the very next day when he had a heart attack.

they never got to paint the back of their house. they never got to retire. and they never got to get that food truck together. >> mcconaughey did not simply make an emotional appeal, also pushed for what he called responsible gun ownership and reasonable, practical regulations. we should point out here, the people living in uvalde, two things first come before that, one is burying their dead, the funerals aren't over yet and the other is getting answers from public officials which they still do not have on what actually happened the day their children were murdered, for that go to cnn shimon prokupecz in search of those answers and i need i understand there was emergency kaet souns i'm meeting today and was chief after dawn even there. >> reporter: so arredondo, the

newly appointed city council member was not at this meeting and you know, don, two weeks after fighting for information out here we continue to do that. with the mayor at attendance in the city council i approached him as he was getting off the elevator to ask him questions about this investigation, about the confidence of the police department and we learned some new information. one of the things we learned was that the city police chief, that's the police chief of the uvalde police department, for the first time, we're learning that he actually wasn't here on that day. that he was on a scheduled vacation. take a listen to some of the back and forth i had with the mayor today. >> do you have confidence in the local police department into continue their duties? >> i do. >> reporter: and in the chief, as well, chief rodriguez? >> chief rodriguez, you know, was out of town when this occurred. so when this took down, the chief wasn't in town, he

canceled vacation and flew back the next day. >> reporter: so who was in charge of the police department at that time. >> reporter: he had assistant chief, i'd have to find out -- >> do you have confidence in chief arredondo? excuse me, sir, don't push me out of the way, i want to back up. that's fine. please don't get in my way. please -- well yes, he's been avoiding our questions. and john, that was the first time we've been able to question the mayor. we felt this was a public hearic hearing, something we should do, he did go on to answer more questions after this, has this confidence in his police department but says he is also being kept in the dark .

emotional appearance at the white house, also brought policy ideas, which is why we turn next to kaitlan collins, our chief white house correspondent, what was it like in the briefing room who matthew mcconaughey spoke like that? >> reporter: john it was almost silent in the room, going through the graphic horrors these children go through in great detail there, talking about lives lost, weaving it

together in a way most officials didn't do. not only talking about his hometown, but what he thinks needs to. going forward when it comes to gun restricts and before you hear what he believe should happen, he cast himself as a responsible gun owner, talked about growing up learning how to use a gun, different kinds of guns he used growing up in uvalde and said he believes there needs to be changes made after what happened. >> so we know it's on the table. we need to invest in mental healthcare. we need safer schools. we need to restrain sensationalizing media coverage. we need to restore our family values. we need to restore our american values. we need responsible gun ownership, responsible gun ownership. we need background checks.

we need to raise the minimum age to purchase ar-15 rifle to 21. we need a waiting period for those rifles. we need red flag laws and consequences for those who abuse them. these are reasonable, practical, tactical regulations to our nation, states, communities, schools and homes. responsible gun owners are fed up with the second amendment being abused and hijacked by some deranged individuals. these regulations are not a step back -- they're a step forward. for a civil society, and the second amendment. >> reporter: he said elected leaders need to worry more about just being reelected and had just left a meeting with president biden when he made those comments. >> yeah, kaitlan, what came out between the meeting of the actor and president. >> reporter: white house isn't

going into detail, obviously talked about what they need tos going forward, what matthew saw on the grounds, his wife and two kids drove down the day after the shooting happened and had been on the ground talking to the family since, that's really what detailed what he said and of course, this comes as president biden is having his own conversations with the lawmakers here in washington, john, who are working on gun control potentially, legislation. senator chris murphy was here, the top democrat who has been leading those talks and he met with president biden for about 40 minutes before president biden's meeting with matthew mcconaughey and the white house says the president feels optimistic, that they made progress lately with the discussions and talks and negotiations and than they made really in decades and one other thing, though, john, very clear what they're talking about on capitol hill is likely to fall short of what matthew mcconaughey is calling for there, what president biden called for in his address last week but white house believes

any step forward is a good step. >> kaitlan collins, perfect seg way, hawaii democratic senator is in close contact with chris murphy's office leading negotiations for tand joins us now. what are you learning about where these negotiations stand tonight? >> i have so much faith in chris murphy and his commitment to providing us with an option for some kind of common sense gun safety legislation, so as he remains optimistic, i remain optimistic, but the sense of urgency is there. >> some of the things being discussed, investments in mental healthcare, bolstering school security, incentivizing states to pass red flag laws and then what might be the most interesting, newest item here, is potential waiting periods for 18 to 21-year-olds to buy ar-15 style weapons. do these measures go far enough for you? >> none of these measures individually go far enough, but

i completely believe that we need to make a start on sensible gun safety legislation. you know, you mention waiting periods, said hawaii has the strictist gun position or gun ownership laws. we have the lowest incidence of gun violence. there is a causal connection. and i know that you know that, the judiciary committee in the senate have a hearing today, domestic terrorism, of which, by the way, white supremacy is the most troubling but of the panelists, five of them, three democratically invited and two republican invited, they all believe easy access to guns is a huge, huge contributor to the massive gun violence in our country. >> i mentioned the idea of a possible waiting period for people 18 to 21-year-old to buy ar-style weapons, that's different than raising the age to buy them to 21. right now, that doesn't appear

to be on the table but right now we did learn today that senator mitch mcconnell, senate minority leader expressed openness to raising the age to 21 for purchase of semi automatic rifles, what do you think of that? it will be in the final deal, because of other republican opposition? >> well i hope his private expression becomes public policy and a public position of the republicans because let's face it, it is the republicans who have kept us from voting on a lot of these sensible gun legislation bills so i hope the tide is turning and we can get at least 10 republicans to support common sense gun safety legislation this time out. we cannot continue to have these kinds of massive shootings. in fact, from the time of uvalde, we've had some 34 mass shootings. that's, in less than a week. so the easy access to guns is what makes our country, as chris has said, makes our country the

outliar of other nations. we all have mental health issues, we all have other kinds of issues but it is our country that makes access to guns, ar-15s, so easy. >> you mention being supportive of these measures as a first step. are you at the point, are democrats at the point now where they basically have to take what republicans are willing to give? >> my hope is that we'll be able to come to some sort of compromise that moves us forward, and as si said i have such trust in chris murphy fighting for sensible gun legislation over a decade that i have faith in him that he will present to us, as well as the other negotiators, present to us something a heck of a lot more than a nothing burger to move us forward. >> of course, senator chris murphy was the congressman representing newtown nearly ten years ago, at this point, senator maizey, illinois, thank

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a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. we talked before the break about the prospects, slim prospects of legislation raising the age to purchase semi automatic rifles such as ar-15 to 21, something cnn was reporting that senate in minori

leader mitch mcconnell is open to, some though, believe these don't belong in civilian hands, period. >> years ago, the family of the inventor of ar 15 said he would have been horrified to know the shine was being used to slaughter children and other innocent lives instead of being used as a military weapon in the battlefield, as it was designed. that's who it was designed for. enough. enough. >> president last week, and now south dakota republican john thune talking to cnn today. >> in my state they use them to shoot prairie dogs and other types of varmin, so i think there are legitimate reasons people would want to have them. >> whichever view prevails, consider th according to wall street journal reporter on the history of ar-15, there are about 400,000 ar-15 style rifles in circulation when the assault

ban took affect, when it lapsed in 2004 the number began rising, today it stands at 20 million, this gave a kind of symbolic value for some on the political spectrum, but others, they just plain like having one. our randy kay has more on that. >> reporter: anna thomsen learned to shoot an ar-15 style rifle back in 2015 after a battle with breast cancer sidelined her from running marathons. >> being the girl in my family that did what the boys did so i never learned to do that before. >> reporter: did it give you confidence is that. >> incredible confidence, incredibly powering, the energy coming off that gun, is energizing and you're not tired gun. >> reporter: energized her so much, she became an instructor and along with her husband, now teaching others how to use it. we caught up with them at eagle gun range in texas. does it fire differently when

you use it compared to other rifles? >> it's softer shooting than most. it doesn't have a lot of recoil and almost feels like shooting like an air gun, as opposed to something that's really heavy. >> reporter: bryan also likes the ar-15 style because he says they're easier and safer to handle than handguns so you don't need to spend as much time and money on training. >> the thing about easy that matters is that when you defend yourself, it's more accurate. so if you're in a home and your family is all there, you'll be more accurate with that. >> reporter: bryan and anna use their ar-15 style rifles for target practice, but mainly for their own protection. what you do you say to people who say why would somebody like you have to own an ar-15, what do you say to those people? >> this guy, he, he, any of

those people can punch me once, i'm going to be like that, but if i defend myself and give me distance and time then i have a fighting chance to live past today. >> i know some people are afraid of them and not comfortable with them. if we can introduce them to it safely, they normally say that thing's not even scary. >> this is an ar-15, 556, with the eo tech red dot. >> reporter: ray rodriguez is also a big fan. ar-15 style rifle. >> i fell in love with it the first trigger pull. >> reporter: ray says he owns them for protection. >> i can clear my apartment if i need to. >> reporter: ray says the ar-15 style is especially popular because they're so customizable, often described as legos for adults, anna personalized hers to fit her small frame. it weighs less than five pounds. >> we've had to find different components to make it as light as it can be. i would not be able to hold up a

20 pound gun and fire it where i needed to fire it. >> reporter: bryan also had anna's ar-15 style rifle decorated with a pink hello kitty decal, others to greater extremes, and ray, who tattooed a picture of he's heavily modified rifle on his arm. when you add on to the real gun, you'll add on to the arm? >> yes, adding on to the art, yes. >> reporter: despite his loyalty to the ar-15 style rifle, there are still many who will question why anyone needs to own one. >> i would say give a proper gun range the ability to coach them through what an ar-15 is capable of and what you can do through proper training and proper coaching. you can see that it can be a sport and it is a sport. >> joining us now from dallas, randy, i'm curious, is the gun store you're visiting seeing any

change in demand for the ar-15 style rifles after the most recent shootings? >> reporter: well john, you've certainly seen a run on this type of weapon after other mass shootings. people hear a lot of talk of gun rights, of banning this style of weapon, so they tend to rush out to the stores and buy them but we spoke to the eagle gun range where we did our story and told me they haven't seen any uptick in demand or sales of the ar-15 style rifle and john, just one other note, you mention i want to put something in context. you mentioned nearly 20 million ar-15 style rifles in the united states now, that's actually just a very small percentage of the number of guns in the united states, there's actually 393 pill i kno million privately owned guns in the united states now so 20 million of those are these ar-15 style rifles, john. >> thank you for the report. now someone who used the close cousin, m-16 as tool of his trade, three star army retired

general and gun owner mark hertling, mark, when you hear these perspectives from people randy spoke with there, as a military man who has seen what these types of weapons were more or less built for, what goes through your mind? >> it's an interesting dynamic, john. what you just said, as i've qualified on the m-16 and m-4 weapon, the 9 millimeter and the 45 caliber beretta, 50 caliber machine guns and a1 tank, i think i know a little about weapons i'm a supporter of the second amendment, i own a weapon, have it in the house in a lock box with a trigger lock, am qualified on it and do all those things because we happen to have five grand children but with the m-16 people are enamored with it, as your guests described, it's a good weapon to fire, it gives someone a sense of protection as the young woman said. it gives you a sense of power,

but truthfully, as the president also said, it is a weapon with a high muzzle velocity, when sold along with high comapacity magazines, we have to understand it was designed, and this is factual, as weapon of war it happen it is designed for catastrophic killing, to damage tissue and cause organ disfunction in the enemy. there are very few survivors of an m-4 or m-16 just as i would say of an ar-15 hit. from my experience and what we've seen factually it's also the weapon of choice for mass killings, for mass shootings. we have seen the ar-15 used in almost 90% of the mass killings we have seen in the united states and that's because it is easy to use, it does have in most cases, a high capacity magazine, and it's, you know, it's a weapon that can be

transported very easily. to kmcomment on one other thing if you're buying a weapon like this for varmint killing, i'll question first of all your common sense as well as your choice of weapons for that kind of hunt. these are excuses made by those who want an m-16, excuse me, ar-15. i'm not opposed to owning these kinds of weapons. i am very in favor of responsible gun ownership, common sense weapon regulations, regulation, or registration of weapons, we do that for our cars, red flag laws, the limits on magazine capacity and banning of ghost guns. those are the kind of arguments i believe our representatives in congress should be taking of. >> senator thune in south dakota saying his constituents wanted ar-15 for varmint hunting, his exact words. >> one of several who has done

that too and it's a bizarre argument. >> you mentioned they were designed in your mind to cause catastrophic damage, tissue destruction, what exactly do you mean by that? >> well, there's been a lot of studies on this, medical studies recently. you talk to doctors who work in emergency departments, emergency rooms in hospitals. they will tell you because of the velocity of the round that leaves the weapon, anywhere from 3200 to 4200 feet per second, that round, because it is so small, usually the 223 or 556 will enter an individual and when it hits anything, a bone, internal organ, it will ricochet. it also causes a small entry wound, but a very large exit wound because it tumbles inside of the human body. there are films of this kind of round striking pig tissue, gelatin that represents human flesh and you can see the kind of damage it does, like it did,

unfortunately, on the young children in places like uvalde, where it just, it blows the human body apart both on the outside and the inside from the tumbling inside the body, the striking of different organs. if it hits a bone, it will ricochet. that's what it's designed to do in combat. so that's why, truthfully, i have problems with it the ar-15 but i can understand why other people want to use it and want to own it . >> general hertling, i appreciate your perspective. thank you. >> thank you, john. coming up, department of homeland security threat bulletin on the possibility of heightened extremism fueled by the midterm elections. also, a 2020 scheme? georgia by the former president's campaign comes to light at the january 6th committee gets ready to hold first public hearings on capitol hill, we'll talk about it with conservative lawyer george conway, next.

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2020, obtained by federal prosecutors shows the former president's campaign pulled a group of fake republican electors in georgia to have complete secrecy as they gather in the state capitol and collect votes for the president even though he lost for that state. though votes went to the biden-harris ticket, this failed his scheme just, coming just two days before the january 6th committee holds first public hearing on capitol hill. joining me now, conservative lawyer george conway, contributor for washington post, this terror threat assessment says in the coming months we expect the threat environment to become more dynamic as several high profile events could be exploited to justify acts of violence against a range of possible targets. how concerned are you that we could see another moment of mob violence like the one we saw on january 6th? i think we might have just lost george conway's signal.

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to show any new bombshells in order to make their case for conspiracy. but what are you hoping to learn from these hearings? >> well, i'm hoping to learn, what the rest of the american public, more of the details of what happened. we're hearing a lot of this stuff kind of third hand, not from directly from witness depositions, would like to see some of the witnesses, some of the video from the witnesses. i think it will be, you know, if it's done correctly and i have every reason to believe it will be done correctly it's just going to be very dramatic to see the people, who, for example, work for mike pence talk about the pressure donald trump put on mike pence to see witnesses like mike ludig go on the state and talk about the advice he gave vice-president presence and als hear more direct evidence about what happened on january 6th at the capitol. there's just a lot of things we can hear, but the fact of the matter is, as i've said, we

already have enough evidence to conclude that there's a substantial likelihood that there was a criminal conspiracy here and in fact, one other point that needs to be made during these hearings is that it wasn't just about the january 6th violence, it was about the fake electors, about the pressure on pence, about the attempt to coopt the justice department, we'll hear from some of the justice department lawyers who donald trump tried to pressure. all those things made this a conspiracy to fraud the united states, to corruptly impede a congressional proceeding, to fraudulently attempt to obstruct governmental function, all of which is illegal under federal law and even without the violence, it violated federal law, but with the violence, putting it all together and having all of these strands tied together and show how they were linked and they were linked at the top, by one man, donald

trump. for the committee to put this all together i think would be a very constructive thing for the american people to see. >> george, you just talked about the fake elector scheme, as, you know, cnn reporting that in the wake of the 2020, a trump campaign official called georgia republicans and told them to operate in, quote, complete secrecy and discretion when they held this meeting of would be electors. complete secrecy and discretion. what does that say to you? >> well, that's classic evidence in a criminal context, it's classic evidence of criminal intent, when you are doing something surreptitiously, tends to suggest there's a reason you don't want people to know which is that you know that whoever finds out about it would think you are doing something wrong and they were acting surreptitiously, not because, if they knew that somebody found

out they were trying to do what they were trying to do, they would get called out for it and people of the georgia capitol would try to stop it and, you know, it, it's absolutely important evidence of criminal intent and the fact that it came from the trump campaign is highly significant. >> also notable, that this elector situation is part of the january 6th investigation, part of the doj investigation and part of a separate georgia investigation all at once. george conway, do appreciate you sticking around with us, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> several states holding primary races today including california where crime and homelessness have become major focal points, in just a few hours, polls will close there 11:00 p.m. eastern and gearing up to be a big showdown in two of the nation's major liberal cities, democratic congresswoman carol bass and rick carusso, real estate developer and

billionaire leading the pack in san francisco, crime heading efforts of redistricting. cnn correspondent ken la -- hase details. >> reporter: her name a part of politics for decades, six term congresswoman karen bass now aims closer to home, running for los angeles mayor . the clear frontrunner when she launched. something happened along that journey. >> well, i think $40 million explains that. i mean i actually think anybody that had $40 million would be close to me. >> reporter: she's talking about billionaire developer rick carusso. >> think nobody can clean up la, meet rick customers customers. >> reporter: the first time candidate smashing spending

records by self-funding his nearly $40 million campaign, blanking all video jeans. >> i'm running for mayor because the city we love is in emergency, rampant homelessness, people living in fear for their safety. >> reporter: the once republican who became a democrat just this year running on a law and order message. carusso hones in on the homelessness problem and rising crime rates. that message is resonating with democrats like nicole couch. >> we are totally fed up with the gas prices, the homelessness, like every block we go on there's homelessness. >> they're looking for a change. they're tired of excuses. they're tired of having career politicians telling them we can't do anything about it. i think everybody in this city and country are looking for somebody to lead in the middle and the extreme right and extreme left is just, it's failed us. >> reporter: voter frustration over crime is most acute in

california's second largest city, san francisco, where theft and violent crime, homelessness and open drug use in parts of the city has put the political bullseye on the city's district attorney, hudeen. he's on the ballot in a potential recall that, if successful, would show one of the country's most liberal cities revolting against progressive prosecutors. anger in california's two largest cities is the political opening for carusso who is better known for being the builder of sanitized outdoor malls in l.a., now appears poised to advance in california's open primary system. top two go getters go to the general regardless of party but one could win in the prime marry if either grabs more in an 50% of the vote. >> reporter: why is a mall guy even a factor here. >> he does have a message tapping into the anxiety and frustrations voters are feeling, a slice of the electorate wants

something different, they don't want someone in political office, they want an outsider. >> reporter:. >> you know, california has 22 million voters in its electorate, what has voter turn out been like so far. >> reporter: well if you look at state returns now, and we're tracking now, just 4 million people returned their ballots, if you're really good at math, i am not, that is 18%. so even though you are seeing people voting behind me, seeing more people coming in, still a couple hours left to vote here in california, that turnout is pretty babysmal that's why democrats here in los angeles say it's tough to extrapolate how the democratic base is feeling when the turn out is that low, that will have to wait until the general and it is in the general, john, that the carusso campaign and bass campaign believe they will be facing off in a full match-off. >> no one told me there would be math. thank you so much for that

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his mother shows where they live, neighbors who left the city let them move into their ground floor apartment. because it's safer. the hall ways full of bottled water. the bathtub is full. there's been no running water here for weeks. as the air raid siren blares, those who remain behind wait for food supplies at a distribution center. we're staying, she says. my neighbor has a well. i have dogs and two cats. my husband has diabetes. 64-year-old nick shrugs off the danger of staying put. where can i go if they bomb everywhere? you can't escape your fate. she fled her village nearby on the front lines. it was very hard there, she says. there was a lot of shelling, half the village disappeared.

her son-in-law and her daughter are taking her away. every day people gather for buses out of the city. the war now into its fourth month has seen millions flee their homes. with no end in sight, a sense of resignation and exhaustion has set in. some who leave may never return. her mother and father come to say good-bye. >> i didn't plan to leave. but i decided to leave because the situation is getting more and more dangerous. >> her parents will stay behind. even as a part of them leaves. >> and he joins me now.

we mentioned this land corridor to crimea which has been a long term goal of the russians. what are the russians saying about it now? >> well, we heard john from the defense minister of russia who says the necessary conditions for full rail connections between russia and crimea are now in place. and that's really been made possible by the fall of the sea port city of mariupol. which sort of stood in the way of that. and now this is one of this was one of russia's main war goals when this war began on the 24th of february. so it is a major development and given that their hold on the south eastern part of the country at this point looks fairly firm, it looks like that goal may have been achieved. >> thank you as always for your reporting. we'll be right back.

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